Alignment & Penalties

Shin Megami Tensei (roughly translated as 'True Goddess Reincarnation') centers around the struggle between heaven and hell, and humans and demons. Each game is an isolated affair in a new world. Sep 20, 2016  The story of Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse is one of human pawns being shuffled across a chessboard by the higher deities.

(Huge thanks go to Zeruel for this information!)

As I noted in the previous section, the two Neutral endings - the ones you want to obtain - are classified by two further terms, Light and Dark. This is done for a reason. Throughout the game, you will make multiple decisions during conversations and the like. Doing so will increase your Light points or your Dark points.

During the decision in the Cosmic Egg with Dagda, your Light/Dark points comes into play, depending on which choice you make. If you have 40 or more Dark points than Light points, but choose to go against your Alignment by going for the Light ending (opposing Dagda), Dagda will get rid of your demons. Likewise, at the same point in the game, if you have 40 or more Light points than Dark points, but go against your Alignment by picking the Dark ending (siding with Dagda), Dagda will get rid of your items.

On the other hand, if you make a decision that coincides with your Alignment, or the difference between your Dark and Light points is less than 40, then no penalty will be gleaned.

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Less importantly, your Alignment also can affect the DDS titles you can obtain: six in all. Three are for getting 50, 75, and 95 Light points, and another three for 50, 75, and 95 Dark points.

With these things in mind, here are the decisions you can make and how many points they get. There's one special case for battles, but otherwise these all prompts given during the storyline. To avoid spoilers - and to match Zeruel's format - I am going to simply going to list the message prompts and the choices and what they yield.

• Battle: During battle, demons can ask you for your partner's HP while scouting. If you refuse, you get 1 Light point, and granting their request gets you 1 Dark point. This can only be done once per partner per playthrough.

• Message: 'Test out the smartphone?'
• Light +3: But.. Asahi said wait!
• Dark +3: Totes!

• Message: 'A little help here, Nanashi?' - Boss
• Light +3: Is it really that big a deal?
• Dark +3: Show your dad some respect

• Message: 'Asahi starts sobbing uncontrollably. What will you do?'
• Light +3: Comfort her.
• Dark +3: Ignore her and leave.

• Message: 'Uh.. got any ideas?' - Asahi
• Light +3: We could recruit our own demons.
• Dark +3: How about you come up with one?

• Message: 'The Sky Tower's not far from here. Let's go help.' - Asahi
• Light +3: Help the Hunters
• Dark +3: Abandon them

• Message: 'It doesn't seem like he's going to budge. What should you do?'
• Light +3: Show him the request for help.
• Dark +3: Force your way through. (one time only)

• Message: 'Would you two mind lending me a hand?' - Isabeau
• Light +3: Of course
• Dark +3: Too tired

• Message: 'Y-Y-You .. You can see me? Right?' - Navarre
• Light +3: I can see you
• Dark +3: Nope

• Message: 'Right. Well. This is more than a little suspicious. What do you think, Nanashi?'
• Light +3: Help her out
• Dark +3: Walk away from this hot mess. (If you choose this, you can choose it again for another bonus; if you change after the first time, no Light bonus.)

• Message: 'Give Nozomi her smartphone?'
• Light +3: Hand it over
• Dark +3: Keep quiet

• Message: 'Do you not understand the gravity of your situation?' - Sukuna-Hikona
• Light +3: We're doing this for humanity
• Dark +3: We don't need deities

• Message: 'Will you break the seal on the Ark?'
• Dark +11: Yes
• N/A: No

• Message: 'Asahi looks like she's about to cry. What will you do?'
• Light +3: Comfort her
• Dark +3: Walk away

• Message: 'Attack Maitreya to save Asahi?'
• Light +3: Get into the mix
• N/A: Hold back for now

• Message: 'twould kill us so quick, I'd be left without sufficient time to tell you 'I told you so.' - Navarre
• N/A: That's probably true
• Dark +3: He can't be right

• Message: 'Please - if you let me go, I'll order my forces to withdraw.' - Titan
• Light +3: Take his word and let him go
• N/A: Level your weapon at him
• Dark +3: Continue attacking him

• Message: 'Nozomi looks at you, her hand outstretched. What will you do?'
• Light +7: Shake it
• Dark +7: Slap it away

• Message: 'The guard is blocking the elevator. What will you do?'
• Light +3: Show him the quest info
• Dark +3: Force your way through (one time only) (no change if you opt to show the quest info after forcing)
• N/A: Walk away

• Message: 'Try to reason with the angels?'
• Light +3: Diplomacy is key
• Dark +3: Nah, kill 'em all

• Message: 'Just betray your friends. It's so easy.' - Medusa
• Light +3: Refuse
• Dark +3: Agree
• N/A: Ignore her

• Message: 'Trust me. Look into my eyes. My eyes will tell you the whole truth.' - Medusa
• N/A: Glare at her
• N/A: Glance at her sideways
• Dark +3: Ignore her and attack

• Message: 'It's your call Nanashi. Should we take Hallelujah with us?'
• Light +7: Bring him along
• Dark +7: Leave him behind

• Message: 'Asahi is clearly despondent. What should you tell her?'
• Light +3: Don't listen to him
• Dark +3: He's right, you're useless
• N/A: Keep quiet

• Message: 'What will you tell him?'
• Dark +3: You were a fool for being deceived
• N/A: I didn't trick you
• N/A: You choose to believe a demon?

• Message: 'Do you vow to never betray us?' - Skins
• Light +3: I vow to never betray you
• Dark +3: Kiss my ass

• Message: 'He raised you, didn't he? Are you okay?' - Hallelujah
• Light +3: I'm okay
• Dark +3: Don't worry about me
• N/A: Just give me a second

• Message: 'What will you say to Hallelujah?'
• Light +3: It's not a problem
• Dark +3: I wouldn't do that to Toki (Note from Zeruel: This was a mistranslation, in the Japanese version it essentially reads 'We can't trust Toki,' thus explaining why it seems to be unusual to get Dark points here)
• N/A: Don't look at me like that

• Message: 'Hey! Do something! That's my little brother!' - Navarre
• Light +7: Rescue Gaston
• Dark +7: Leave him to his fate

• Message: 'Do you not agree that you should leave the dead weight you call 'friends' behind and fight alone?' - Maitreya
• Light +7: Save your partner
• Dark +7: Betray your partner and attack both

• Message: 'Starting tomorrow, things are going to change.' - Asahi
• Light +3: I need you with me
• Dark +3: You'll just get in the way
• N/A: Come on, now..

• Message: 'What will you do?'
• Light +7: Hand Flynn over
• Dark +7: Protect Flynn

• Message: 'What will you do?'
• Dark +3: Hit him while he's off guard [plus the next decision becomes available]
• Light +7: Protect Asahi

• Message: 'Adrammalech's attack is drawing nearer.'
• Light +3: Shield your partner
• Dark +7: Use your partner as a shield
• N/A: Defend alone

• Message: 'Offer your soul to me, and the other Unclean Ones go free. Yes?' - Azrael
• Light +3: Offer your soul
• N/A: Keep your soul
• Dark +3: Ignore him and keep attacking

• Message: 'I need you to trust me - I'll make it count!' - Hallelujah
• Light +7: Trust him
• Dark +7: Don't trust him
• Dark +3: Ignore him

• Message: 'What will you say to Hallelujah?'
• Light +3: It doesn't matter
• N/A: This is unforgivable

• Message: 'What will you say to Hallelujah?'
• Light +7: Stay with us
• Dark +3: Go back to Abe

• Message: 'Will you leave the unconscious Hunters here?'
• Dark +3: Leave them
• Light +3: Take them to the entrance
• Light +3: Wait until they wake up

• Message: 'Samyaza has invited you.. What will you do?'
• Light +3: Reject his proposal
• N/A: Accept his proposal
• N/A: Ignore him

• Message: 'I will strike Lucifer from behind. I need you to distract him. Can you do that?'
• Light +3: Got it
• Dark +3: Nope

• Message: 'What is it you wish to do with so much power? What is it you seek beyond the scope of this battle?' - Lucifer
• Light +11: A peaceful life with my friends
• Dark +11: A sublime world with no ambiguity
• N/A: Say nothing

• Message: 'Who will you depend on, your allies or Dagda?'
• Light +7: Team up with your friends
• Dark +7: Take Dagda's power
• Dark +11: Neither

• Message: 'Inanna is ready to fight you. What will you do?'
• Dark +3: Fight her
• Light +7: Try to talk her down

• Message: 'Toki is stealing glances at you.'
• Light +3: Smile and wave
• Light +3: Look at her passionately
• Dark +3: Stick your tongue out

• Message: 'You fight so well. What will you use that strength for?' - Mitra-Buddha
• Dark +7: For myself
• Light +7: For my friends
• N/A: Ignore him

• Message: 'What will you do?'
• Light +11: Destroy the Cosmic Egg
• Dark +11: Create Dagda's new universe
• N/A: Take time to think it over

The eternal struggle begins now! Will you choose peace or anarchy?

The story of Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse focuses on a Hunter cadet protagonist who gets killed by one of the demons treating post-apocalyptic Tokyo as their personal playground. However, the mysterious god Dagda resurrects the protagonist in exchange for his fealty, and sets him on a perilous path that treads a fine line between peace and anarchy. Is Dagda simply an opportunistic lesser god or is he part of something much bigger?

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